Hillary Clinton: A True Advocate For Women

Now that the Elizabeth Edwards' interview with Salon Magazine has hit the mainstream media, I am publishing this diary and hoping Elizabeth herself comes by to read it.  I have also submitted the information in this diary to several newspapers and television stations.  

"...Look, I'm sympathetic, because when I worked as a lawyer, I was the only woman in these rooms, too, and you want to reassure them you're as good as a man. And sometimes you feel you have to behave as a man and not talk about women's issues. ..." (Elizabeth Edwards)

The quote above is taken directly from Elizabeth Edwards's interview with Salon Magazine. I wish to inform Elizabeth Edwards that while I am a man, I am surrounded by well-informed women, including my wife, daughters, sisters, nieces, an aunt and many friends -- and Elizabeth Edwards does not speak for any of them.  We have done our research and support Hillary for many reasons, including all the work she has done for women, all over the country and all over the world.

Also, Hillary has always been very open and very vocal about women and the issues that affect them, so Mrs. Edwards' implication that Hillary has been afraid to discuss women's issues is a blatant lie.

The Salon interview was arranged by the Edwards campaign, for the primary purpose of undermining Hillary Clinton as an advocate for women.  Well, the facts speak for themselves. Hillary Clinton was working on behalf of women before any of us even knew who John Edwards was.

I invite Elizabeth Edwards to peruse the information below and then explain just what it is her husband has done on behalf of women and how that compares to what Hillary Clinton has been doing for most of her adult life.  

As the wife of a Presidential candidate, who happens to be a Democrat, I believe Elizabeth Edwards should be criticizing President Bush and the many ways he has failed the women in this country, instead of going after Hillary Clinton.

Here is just a partial list of Hillary's work for women and for children.      

http://www.clinton.senate.gov/news/state ments/details.cfm?id=269849
Senator Clinton Leads Bipartisan Effort to Fund Family Caregiver Bill

http://www.clinton.senate.gov/news/state ments/details.cfm?id=270463
Senator Clinton Seeks Better Support for Kinship Caregivers

http://clinton.senate.gov/news/statement s/details.cfm?id=272301&&
Senator Clinton Sponsors the Paycheck Fairness Act For Women

http://www.clinton.senate.gov/news/state ments/details.cfm?id=270869
Sen. Clinton Continues the Funding Fight for the Office of Women's Health

http://www.clinton.senate.gov/issues/wom en/
Sen. Clinton Works to Expand Opportunities For Women in Non-traditional Jobs / Sen. Clinton introduces Senate Resolution honoring women in the trades

http://www.clinton.senate.gov/news/state ments/details.cfm?id=270814
Senator Clinton: Women, Diabetes, Pregnancy

http://www.clinton.senate.gov/news/state ments/details.cfm?id=271366
Sen. Clinton: Investigate Insurance Companies Denying Payment for Long-Term Care

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/23/nyregi on/23clintons.html?ex=1184817600&en= 00eb41e7d37362a7&ei=5070
Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton at former President Bill Clinton's conference, calls for a concerted attack on the "feminization of poverty" to destroy political and economic barriers that trap women

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.ht ml?res=990CE5DA1138F93BA35750C0A96395826 0
Although women comprise 52 percent of the world population, although they are the primary caretakers for children and the aged and are a significant presence in the workforce, they continue to be marginalized in many countries," Hillary Clinton said. "Worldwide, more than two-thirds of the children who never attended school or who drop out are girls. Of the one billion people who remain illiterate, two-thirds are women. And a disproportionate number of those we call living in absolute poverty are women." (Hillary Clinton at the World Summit For Social Development)

http://www.heritage.org/Research/Family/ bg1829.cfm
Hillary Clinton Leads Delegation To Fourth World Conference On Women (Beijing): "Women and Poverty" - "Women and Health" - "Human Rights of Women" - "The Girl-Child."

http://www.ppaction.org/campaign/plan_b_ approved2/
Two U.S. senators have stood out in their efforts to help sound science prevail over politics in the campaign for increased access to Plan B: Hillary Clinton (D-NY) and Patty Murray (D-WA).  In partnership with Senator Patty Murray, Hillary waged a successful three-year battle to get the Food and Drug Administration to accept the overwhelming recommendation of the medical community and make Plan B (the "morning after" pill) available over the counter.

http://www.hillaryclinton.com/feature/pr ek/
Hillary Clinton is proposing a national Pre-K initiative that would provide funding to states to establish high-quality pre-K programs. States would have to devise a plan for making voluntary pre-K services universally available for all four year olds in the state in order to participate. In addition, they would provide pre-K at no cost to children from low-income children and/or limited English homes. As states increase participation and growth their programs, the federal government will be their partner, scaling up its investment in concert with states.

http://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/wom en/
Hillary has championed the Prevention First Act, which expands access to family planning services for low-income women, requires health insurance companies to cover contraception, and provides a dedicated funding stream for age-appropriate, medically accurate, comprehensive sex education.

As First Lady, Hillary helped pass the Family and Medical Leave Act and helped found the National Campaign to Prevent Teen Pregnancies, which established and achieved a goal of reducing teen pregnancies by one-third between 1996 and 2005.

Hillary's work to empower low-income women has changed lives. She fought for the elimination of school fees, which prevent poor children in some countries from attending school, and for investments in health care and education for women and girls. And she helped found Vital Voices, a not-for-profit organization that continues to work to support women's leadership around the globe.

Elizabeth Edwards also stated in the interview that women are being told to vote for Hillary "because" she is a woman. This is another falsehood. I wish to inform Mrs. Edwards that women who support Hillary are very aware of all she has done on their behalf. I found this comment by Elizabeth to be insulting to women in general - as if women aren't intelligent enough to choose a candidate for reasons other than gender.

You can read the entire SALON interview here:
http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2007/0 7/17/elizabeth_edwards/index.html



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A True Advocate For Women (none / 0)

As has happened in the past, when Elizabeth Edwards decides to take jabs at other candidates, she usually follows with an explanation that she was misquoted or that her comments were misrepresented or misinterpreted.

This has become Mrs. Edwards modus operandi.  

And it stinks, quite frankly.


by samueldem on Wed Jul 18, 2007 at 05:31:39 AM EST

samueldem (none / 0)

Thank you for this diary.  This was a low-blow by Elizabeth Edwards.  Something tells me they are getting a little desperate over at the Edwards campaign headquarters.

Don't fret.  This won't hurt Hillary; and it might even help her.  


The Facts: Please Read
by Regan on Wed Jul 18, 2007 at 05:46:45 AM EST

Re: samueldem (none / 0)

They ARE desperate in Edwards HQ. Richardson has just passed Edwards in a NH Poll and his gaining on him just about everywhere. It's a matter of time before Richardson knocks him out of the first tier.


by Mayor McCheese on Wed Jul 18, 2007 at 08:58:50 AM EST
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ha ha, I just read your comment above samueldem.

Wanna take bets that Mrs. Edwards will write a diary on kos today and claim that what she said is not really what she meant or that Salon just got it all wrong?


The Facts: Please Read
by Regan on Wed Jul 18, 2007 at 05:51:18 AM EST

Here you go (none / 0)

Compliments of the New York Times.

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/ 07/17/fredfinances-2/

Something tells me it won't be Hillary who suffers over this one.


The Facts: Please Read
by Regan on Wed Jul 18, 2007 at 05:56:41 AM EST

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It's funny- in the dem race, people were worried that Hillary would be over-shadowed by Bill but it's John Edwards who is the one who has been over-shadowed by his mate.  Elizabeth makes it look like John can't fight his own battles and people are being turned off by it.  I like Elizabeth Edwards but this constant attention she keeps seeking is not good for John.  I mean, John has his "poverty tour" now for three days and what are people talking about?  Elizabeth Edwards remarks on Hillary Clinton.  She's taking attention away from the very thing they hoped would be talked about. Not to mention it seems many people think she over-stepped her bounds and it has made her look foolish which is a bad reflection on John.


by reasonwarrior on Wed Jul 18, 2007 at 06:36:57 AM EST

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Senator Clinton has been a tireless advocate for women and for children and these efforts described above demonstrate this commitment.  For all the problems I have with the Senator, this is her best work.  

My partner works on kinship care issues and she has shared with me the particular virtues of Clinton's kinship care plan. Detroit has the highest rate of grandparents raising grandkids and the system is stacked against them in many, many ways.

I would like to see her stay in the Senate where she is in a position to continue to push this legislative agenda when we have a President willing sign the initiatives into law. I can see her eventually as an incredibly effective Majority Leader, more than Senator Reid, closer to LBJ 1956-1960.  While he was able advance much needed progressive legislation in 1964-1965, his progressive legislative agenda was eventually consumed by his commitment to carrying out the war against Vietnam, paralyzed by that bugaboo of "American credibility", i.e. if we aren't blowing people up, then we look weak.  The same impulse that prompted President Clinton to bomb an aspirin factory in Sudan.

What concerns me is that as President her obsequiousness toward corporations and dedication to US power would hurt many, many more women, men, and children here in the United States and around the world.

Thousands of children and women die every day around the world because of unjust global system maintained, more than by any other single factor, by a bloated and aggressive US military posture.

I would be much more inclined to support the Senator if I felt that in addition to her impressive legislative efforts as described above, I saw much evidence of her commitment to reigning in unchecked corporatism or unchecked US aggressiveness.  Preferably both.  Currently I see no evidence of either.

No doubt a strong supporter of Senator Clinton will explain how I have it all wrong.  If there is anything we can count on, it is your zealous vigilance.

Trond Jacobsen


"We live entangled in webs of endless deceit, often self-deceit, but with a little honest effort, it is possible to extricate ourselves from them". -- NC
by Trond Jacobsen on Wed Jul 18, 2007 at 09:03:52 AM EST

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Trond

I respect the fact that you aren't writing hit piece after hit piece on Clinton. You always try to articulate a fair point.

HOWEVER, you make a lot of misguided assumptions. First of all this idea that being pro business is bad is totally unwarranted by everyone who makes this claim. I'm still looking for an explaination for why pro business and pro worker stances are mutually exclusive. I think we can agree that business do screw people over too often. But the solution isn't to go in the polar opposite direction and screw over business. People need jobs and business need workers. Cooperation is the solution

I'd also like you to explain to me how an anti business president could ever 1. Get elected and 2. If they were elected get anything passed.

Furthermore your claims of the US military being the major cause of poverty and strife in the world is totally crap. Completely false. The fact is that hawks only WISH they had that much power. We don't have enough troops nor enough funding to  lead to that kind of world scale disaster.

I would argue that Ag subsidies have move of a disasterious affect that the US military. I don't think they're the leading cause of strife but thats just proof of the ludacrious assumptions you're making.

Seriously, if you're going to make such bold claims at least try to explain them  with analysis and facts


by world dictator on Wed Jul 18, 2007 at 09:40:53 AM EST
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Perhaps I am making some misguided assumptions.  I'll try to provide more evidence for my claims, or at least the reasons for my claims.  None of the Democratic candidates are fundamentally different on the questions of corporate power and US military aggressiveness; there the differences are minor, but given the impact of those two problems, minor differences can have huge effects.

I guess we do have some fundamental disagreements about at least two issues.

Not every corporation is evil, certainly not the individuals within them.  But the nature of the economic system is "grow or die" and squeezing labor is the most effective method of extracting profits, well, that and plundering the earth.  If you don't, particularly by the time one is managing a F500 corporation, you are fired.  On this score, if not much else, Marx was correct, in my opinion.  And the view is not that radical but was widely believed by many progressive forces in American history.  Jefferson warned about the pernicious influence of corporations.  The Populists were animated by similar concerns, as were those in the early labor movement.  There is a class war with, writ large at least, two counter-posed and ultimately irreconcilable forces.  Provisional or temporary cooperation is perhaps possible - see the Capital-Labor accord of the 1950s to late 1960s - but not permanent alignment of interests (guess which party walked away from the accord).  The greatest recent accomplishment of corporations has been to make it seem that their dominance is "natural" as opposed to the end product of deliberate policy.  Nope, our economic systems are human-created and they can be changed.  But their ability to frame the premises of respectable discussion - they own the media and dominate the intelligentsia and the chattering class - does not mean their dogma about the unfettered market being the most efficient economic form is correct.

I am not sure what you think I have in mind by "screw over business", so allow me to provide a few details about my beliefs.  Easing in many different ways the ability to form unions and in the power unions have in negotiations (think the social democracies of Europe).  No more "free trade" agreements of the sort we have had that are actually agreements to relieve capital of any regulations.  Larger increases in the minimum wage.  Single payer health care.  Subsidized child care.  Real pension security. Progressive taxation schemes that have the effect of impeding excessive concentrations of wealth.  Enforcement of anti-trust and collusion laws to prevent a handful of mega-corporations from exercising near monopoly power over the entire economy and key industries, such as the media and utilities.  Real regulation of food industries, drug industries, resources extraction industries.  Require significant returns to the public for our substantial public subsidies, of various types, for R&D.  Basically, all the aspects of the regulatory state from Teddy through at least Johnson, a trend only relatively recently reversed and blessed by both parties, in the main.  Way down the road, many generations, I see no reason why the corporate form need survive.  Indeed, if it does, we won't.  I'm not pretending you will agree, but you asked for more details.

We disagree even more strongly about the pernicious influence of US military abroad, though I wholeheartedly agree US, and European, ag protectionism is a major problem for the poor, particularly in Africa.  My core argument is if we were to identify the largest single cause, we would point to US military posture, doctrine, and policy.  There are other causes of global privation, to be sure, but none are as great.  Even more on point is that any time a nation attempts to deviate from the neo-liberal consensus they are attacked by the United States in one form or another.  The peoples of the world are unable to change their conditions because of the actual or threatened fist of US power.  So, when, say an African nation would like to direct their internal ag policy toward satisfying domestic needs, the US and its allies put on the screws via SAP and through other mechanisms, arming insurrectionary groups, or, if necessary, sending in the Marines to impose an export-oriented ag model with predictable mal-development consequences.  It's a classic mafia racket.  The key argument is that global order is enforced, at bottom, by US military power.

This really isn't arguable, in my opinion.  Read the declassified planning record, particularly from the years 1944-1950 and - this is key - it is consistent over decades regardless of party, right through the present day.  The details differ but the plot line is stable.

You have George Kennan, the most generous and perceptive of the post-war planners, writing in 1948:

"we have about 50% of the world's wealth but only 6.3% of its population. This disparity is particularly great as between ourselves and the peoples of Asia. In this situation, we cannot fail to be the object of envy and resentment. Our real task in the coming period is to devise a pattern of relationships which will permit us to maintain this position of disparity without positive detriment to our national security.  To do so, we will have to dispense with all sentimentality and day-dreaming; and our attention will have to be concentrated everywhere on our immediate national objectives. We need not deceive ourselves that we can afford today the luxury of altruism and world-benefaction...We should cease to talk about vague and--for the Far East--unreal objectives such as human rights, the raising of the living standards, and democratization. The day is not far off when we are going to have to deal in straight power concepts. The less we are then hampered by idealistic slogans, the better."

Course they don't talk that way on TV or in the papers or when running for office.

Join me on an abbreviated tour of the foreign policy history of the United States.  I don't want to sound all preachy, so I will try to stick to what I believe are inarguable facts.  I can draw on a wealth of specific sources to substantiate each and every claim, many of the sources being from the declassified planning record or mainstream media.  

Do you realize that the US spends more on the military than the rest of the world combined and is the largest purveyor of weapons around the world?  Read the observations of General Smedley before Congress in the 1930s - at the time the only two-time Congressional Medal of Honor recipient.

A partial body count:

*    19th century Indian Wars, direct and indirect death toll incalculable, but not small.
*    1898-1900, crush the Filipino independence movement, at least 10s of thousands killed.  
*    Nicaragua, Honduras and various Carribbean nations in the 1910-1930s.  Who is Sandino?
*    We have Mossadegh in Iran, Arbenz in Guatemala
*    2-3 million killed in Indochina over our long war there.
*    The death squad states in Latin American during the 1970s and 1980s, the fruit of our rat-lining Nazis after the war and Kennedy's tragic Alliance for Progress reorientation of hemispheric military toward "internal defense", aka killing peasants
*    Contras in Nicaragua.  I was there; I saw what US policy did to crush the dreams of a people
*    Support during the 1970s and 1980s for the Apartheid government as it killed - I'm not making this stuff up - 1.5 million directly and indirectly in the Frontline states.
*    Suharto coup in 1965
*    East Timor genocide 1975-1980
*    Medical researchers about a decade ago wrote of the rise of new group of people in the Brazilian northeast, new because malnutrition from their earliest days left them with tiny brains and emaciated bodies.  Why?  Maybe it could be dated back the anti-Goulart coup in 1964, which installed a military junta that prevented a mild social democratic government from focusing on internal development.  The same military-corporate elite ran Brazil until Lula.
*    The US (and France, UK and Germany) armed and provided support to Saddam during his worst atrocities, the ones for which he was executed, and his barbarism gave our leaders no pause, until it looked like he was not longer willing to follow orders.
*    Then there is the 100s of thousands of Iraqis who died during the sanctions period which the US almost alone insisted on keeping in place and even at some points strengthening
*    Who sold the Bell-Huey helicopters to Mexico so they could mow down the Zapatistas in the Lacandon jungle?  That's right Uncle Sam.

I could go on but I believe I have made my point.  The collapse of the Soviet Union, obviously a good thing, has left the United States undeterred, or as George's daddy celebrated in Iraq War I, our leaders believe they have "killed the Vietnam Syndrome", i.e. the reluctance of the American population to engage in wars overseas.  I can only hope Junior has resurrected it.  It is the US foreign policy establishment, not you, not me, but those who act in our name under the cover of very deeply ingrained propaganda about the nobility of US policy that carry out these atrocities.  They are the World Dictators, not you.

The US is not the only bad actor in the world, far from it.  But it is:

a) the most powerful, and therefore the one in the position to do the most damage and it has done the most damage; and

b) the one I can do something about because it is my country where I have, thanks to popular struggles over many years, some ability to influence the policy of the nation, in concert with like minded Americans.  President Bush is hard at work trying to eliminate that ability, but he has not yet succeeded.

And please don't accuse me of slandering the troops.  While My Lai and Haditha are hardly one-off events, they are not the true crimes here, in my opinion.

Finally, consider what lately passes for the Iraq War debate.  After blockading the country for more than a decade, shattering their electrical, water, and transportation infrastructure, destroying their local institutions of government, ramming a sweetheart oil deal down their throats (sweet for Anglo-American oil interests), and effectively outlawing unions, the leading voices in our party, including my preferred candidate, have the audacity to blame this whole mess on the Iraqi government not willing to get its act together.

It is as if I busted into your house, ripped out the phone, burned the roof, flooded the basement, kicked out the kids, sprayed Round Up on the garden, and then threw up my hands in disgust because you couldn't get it together.

I hope I have filled out some of my assertions.  Thanks for reading.

Trond Jacobsen


"We live entangled in webs of endless deceit, often self-deceit, but with a little honest effort, it is possible to extricate ourselves from them". -- NC
by Trond Jacobsen on Wed Jul 18, 2007 at 04:56:40 PM EST
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Re: Hillary Clinton: A True Advocate For Women (none / 0)

I am not a Clinton supporter, but I am really getting tired of Elizabeth Edwards. Let the man speak for himself. He is the one who is running for president. No more of this "I am for gay marriage, my husband is against it, so vote for my husband" crapola. John Edwards isn't fit to kiss the sole of Hillary Clinton's shoe when it comes to lifelong commitment to feminist issues.


by zac on Wed Jul 18, 2007 at 09:46:59 AM EST

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I am not going to HIT Elizabeth Edwards even though I disagree with her position entirely. What you have provided is all the evidence needed to dispute Elizabeth's assertions completely. That Hillary has been a very strong advocate of women's issues for her entire adult life is beyond dispute. To make a statement otherwise would be to betray desperation and ignorance.


by DoIT on Wed Jul 18, 2007 at 10:33:17 AM EST

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"Look, I'm sympathetic, because when I worked as a lawyer, I was the only woman in these rooms, too, and you want to reassure them you're as good as a man. And sometimes you feel you have to behave as a man and not talk about women's issues. "

Frankly I'm not quite sure what Elizabeth Edwards was trying to convey especially given Hillary Clinton's indisputible record on women's issues as Samueldem laid out. So its down to behavior, but isn't that rather subjective? Is there a particular kind of anti-masculine, women's behavior that Elizabeth Edwards is advocating as a style for working women? Doesn't advocating a particular anti-masculine demeanor rob women of their individuality? Why can't Hillary be as cool or cold and calculating as Elizabeth Edwards is as warm and calculating?

Unfortunately bringing up the issue of masculinity does not really help John Edwards given the Republican Attack Machine's almost venal ability to hyper inflate percieved character traits. The vain Breck Girl image has unfortunately been seared into most voter's minds add to that  John Edwards' curiously bland, passive demeanor despite his very forward looking plans. It a bit emasculating too to have the wife do all the fighting. This is all silly anyway. The Edwards campaign should just stick to issues. I think his  ideas are even more thoughtful than Obama's and it is a pity to detract from them in this way.


by superetendar on Wed Jul 18, 2007 at 11:16:16 AM EST

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Excellent post. Thanks! Clinton's long-time advocacy of women is on the big reasons I support her. I will be voting for my grandmother, mother, sisters, aunts, nieces when I punch the card for Clinton.


by domma on Wed Jul 18, 2007 at 11:29:52 AM EST

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Why would she not wait until the poverty tour is over to start another high-profile dustup?   This could very well overshadow Edwards' tour.  I am not sure if this was coordinated by the campaign, as it seems to be bad timing for this.  


by georgep on Wed Jul 18, 2007 at 11:51:21 AM EST

Re: Hillary Clinton: A True Advocate For Women (3.00 / 1)

Perhaps the diarist would like to explain why this happened on Clinton's watch:

International Paper burned tires to save money on energy costs and she did nothing to stop it. Here's a snip from Common Dreams:

Clinton's moment of truth came in 2005, when executives at the International Paper mill in upstate Ticonderoga, N.Y., were pressing to cut costs by burning old tires to provide power for their operations. Tires are one of the most toxic fuels nown to man, and people downwind from the plant (including Republican Vermont Gov. Jim Douglas) were organizing a campaign to stop IP from poisoning their air with mercury, benzene and other deadly chemicals.

To counter this effort, IP launched an aggressive effort to woo New York politicians, including Clinton, in part by resorting to an old polluter trick: threatening to shut down the plant if it wasn't allowed to burn the tires.

Seen from outside a political lens, it should have been an easy choice for Clinton: Tires are so toxic that even limited exposure can cause permanent health damage, especially to children, whose developing brains and immune systems are hypersensitive to the pollutants tires produce. Tire pollutants can cut years off a child's life and impair mental development, according to the American Lung Association. For someone who had once been chairwoman of the Children's Defense Fund and who had forged her political identity around protecting kids' well-being,it would seem like a no-brainer.

http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2007 05/24/1418

And I find this statement a bit over the top:

Also, Hillary has always been very open and very vocal about women and the issues that affect them, so Mrs. Edwards' implication that Hillary has been afraid to discuss women's issues is a blatant lie.
 

Mrs. Edwards' response to that type of accusation was this
:
"I'm not criticizing her," Edwards said. "She's got a pretty hard maze to walk through."

I think Mrs. Edwards is talking about the faces of poverty, health care, education, global warming, etc.And that is why Kate Michelman has joined the campaign as a senior adviser.  The DMR gave this good snippet from a campaign stop in Iowa:


[Elizabeth]Edwards and Kate Michelman, former leader of NARAL Pro-Choice America, spoke to the Iowa City crowd about "issues important to women." Among the topics: workplace equality, health care, global warming, abortion and stem cell research.

"I'm doing this campaign for two reasons," Edwards said. "John needs to be president. The second reason is that I know he will be president."

Michelman, a longtime women's rights advocate, defended her decision to campaign for John Edwards instead of Clinton.

"This was one of the most important political decisions I've made in my life," she said. "I was one of those poor single moms with no job and no health care. I was on welfare.

"John Edwards is the one and only person who has made it his mission to pull these women up."

http://www.desmoinesregister.com/apps/pb cs.dll/article?AID=2007707180387

I stand by Elizabeth Edwards on her comments, and I hope they will stir more conversations about women's issues from all of the candidates, not just Clinton.


by benny06 on Wed Jul 18, 2007 at 12:07:28 PM EST

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She is clearly taking away from John Edwards' message with these headlines.   Whatever you think of her comments, sometimes it is simply not the right time and place to make them, but let the candidate himself have the spotlight solely.  Instead, it is like SHE is actually running.  She is in the latest ad, she made news with her comment on abortion, she made news with her latest dig at Clinton, etc.   She makes more news than the candiate himself, her husband.  I don't think that makes a lot of sense.   She overshadows John Edwards at this point.


by georgep on Wed Jul 18, 2007 at 07:04:02 PM EST
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Re: Elizabeth is a great support for John. (3.00 / 2)

George, how can you say that after the Clinton campaign produced a five minute ad with Bill Clinton telling us how wonderful Hillary has been throughout her life?  You applauded that video and so did I.  I thought it was a good one.

Elizabeth's video is a good one too.

And I think I saw Bill on the campaign trail with Hillary.  His is a little more sensitive position but Hillary certainly spoke up during Bill's election.  And he can overshadow Hillary so they have to be more careful.  But lots of people feel that many support Hillary to get Bill back in the Whitehouse.

Elizabeth is not overshadowing John but we appreciate your concern.  She like Hillary is a strong woman who is supportive of her partner in his bid for the presidency.  She is not going to sit this out.  If people don't like it and it changes their mind that should work in your favor.  However she is very much a part of this campaign and he obviously is fine with her speaking out.  


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by pioneer111 on Wed Jul 18, 2007 at 10:02:57 PM EST
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So you think women should (3.00 / 2)

not have minds of their own?

I like Elizabeth Edwards.

Comparing the two couples is interesting.  No whisper of anything with John like Genifer Flowers or Lewinsky.  I think it may matter to some voters.  Bill is a double edge sword for Hillary.  It is unfortunate for her.  


by littafi on Wed Jul 18, 2007 at 10:25:46 PM EST
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A True Advocate For Women (none / 0)

Hey, all Elizabeth Edwards had to do to promote anything her husband has done for women is STATE THAT VERY CLEARLY IN THE SALON INTERVIEW and leave Hillary out of it.  

Nobody is going to win the nomination by tearing down another candidate.  

That, as much as anything else, is what has made Elizabeth's interview with Salon such a disgrace.
Nothing Elizabeth said will hurt Hillary, because the facts are all on record as to what Hillary had done for women.  This has cast a shadow on Elizabeth and John Edwards and further underlined their strategy of taking cheap potshots at their fellow Democrats.


The Facts: Please Read
by Regan on Wed Jul 18, 2007 at 12:45:04 PM EST

Is Mrs. Edwards Really "Happier"? (none / 0)

Awhile back, Elizabeth Edwards commented that her life choices made her a "happier" person than Hillary Clinton.  At the time, she thought her comment was off the record.  It wasn't.

Considering that comment, as well as this latest, I must say that, despite her claim, Mrs. Edwards has never struck me as a particulary "happy" person.

And if she is, why is there always this underlying current of bitterness to her and her statements?

If that's happiness, you can keep it.


by BigBoyBlue on Wed Jul 18, 2007 at 02:15:13 PM EST

Re: Hillary Clinton: A True Advocate For Women (none / 0)

"That, as much as anything else, is what has made Elizabeth's interview with Salon such a disgrace." -- Regan.

Regan don't be so harsh with Elizabeth.

I believe she has been set up by someone for this Salon interview. It's been a while since salon has been overtaken by GOP interests, hence why they've run those article by Cpl Matt Sanchez when he was photograph alongside Ann Coulter at CPAC...conference where (surprise surprise) she called Edwards a "faggot".

Now it's Elizabeth who's invited by Salon to discuss none other than Coulter and Hillary Clinton - with the media standing close by to retransmit whatever would come out of that interview.

See how it's all coming full-circle now?

Elizabeth just has to figure out who is it has been playing her, from this Salon gig to the stint with Chris Matthews.


by senile on Wed Jul 18, 2007 at 02:25:46 PM EST

Re: Hillary Clinton: (none / 0)

senile:

Thanks for your concern, but I highly doubt that Elizabeth Edwards was "set up".  She made the comments about Hillary, of her own volition - nobody was forcing her to say those things.  As a woman, I was very offended by Elizabeth's comments.  This whole thing is reminiscent of highschool days.  

I have noticed no response from the Clinton camp, and considering that Clinton is known for her rapid-response style, this tells me that John and Elizabeth Edwards, and their negativity, are of little concern to Hillary Clinton.

Sure, the Salon interview resulted in some free press coverage for Elizabeth Edwards but one has to ask whether it was worth it because the coverage has made Elizabeth look foolish.


The Facts: Please Read
by Regan on Wed Jul 18, 2007 at 02:51:37 PM EST

Re: Hillary Clinton: A True Advocate For Women (none / 0)

Check out Hillary's response to Elizabeth Edwards attack at http://www.hillaryhub.com

Priceless!!!


The Facts: Please Read
by Regan on Wed Jul 18, 2007 at 07:24:38 PM EST

Re: Hillary Clinton: A True Advocate For Women (1.00 / 1)

Hey Regan, could you please post in what Hillary said, I can't see anything from her as a reply to Elizabeth on HillaryHub, and I have heard others speak of it as well, makes me curious, thanks.


by Gorto on Sat Jul 21, 2007 at 09:55:06 AM EST
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