Hillary and Obama: Unfavorables

Today's Rasmussen poll shows that Hillary continues to lead and has gained another point since the poll taken yesterday.  

It is the favorable vs unfavorable ratings for both Hillary and Obama that I find the most interesting.  Obama has surprisingly higher unfavorables among  Democrats than Hillary does.   And his unfavorable rating among all voters is increasing as well.

These are Obama's weakest ratings for 2007, so far.

Rasmussen Today:

Senator Hillary Clinton reaching another new high-water mark in the race for the Democratic Presidential nomination. Clinton now has support from 43% of Likely Democratic Primary Voters, more than double the total of her nearest challenger. Illinois Senator Barack Obama is a distant second at 21% while former North Carolina Senator John Edwards is preferred by 12% (see daily history).

Clinton is now viewed favorably by 82% of Democrats, Obama by 66%. Those figures include 43% with a Very Favorable opinion of Clinton. Thirty-three percent (33%) have such a positive view of Obama. Just 16% of Democrats have an unfavorable view of Clinton while 30% hold such a view of Obama.

Among all voters, Clinton is viewed favorably by 49% and unfavorably by 48%. Those figures are in the middle of the range she's occupied all year. Obama is viewed favorably by 48% of all voters, unfavorably by 45%. Those are the weakest ratings for Obama in 2007. In mid-July, he was viewed favorably by 54% of all voters.



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Re: Hillary and Obama: Unfavorables (none / 0)

Sam, you forgot to mention that Rasmussen ALSO has her trailing Thompson and Guiliani today...

You were saying something about electability????


by chicagogene on Thu Aug 02, 2007 at 09:49:21 AM EST

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Primaries before the General.  Heck, yes, electability.   Iowa is probably moving the caucuses to mid-December, with NH 8 days later.  Coming up very soon.


by georgep on Thu Aug 02, 2007 at 12:11:34 PM EST
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Obama's favorability rating has dropped six points in two weeks!

 


by samueldem on Thu Aug 02, 2007 at 09:51:32 AM EST

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Do you have a link?


Hillary/Obama08
by annefrank on Thu Aug 02, 2007 at 11:59:24 AM EST
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Go John Go! (none / 0)

Since April, in poll after poll, Clinton and Giuliani have been separated by a point at most. But fellow Democrats are doing better. Former Senator John Edwards can now boast a seven-point lead over the mayor, Senator Obama has a six-point lead over him.

The same comparison obtains in match-ups with Senator Thompson, who is even with Giuliani in the GOP nomination race. While Clinton and Thompson have been close each time we ask about that match-up, Obama leads Thompson by six. Senator Edwards can still wrest a double-digit lead over Thompson.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_c ontent/politics/election_2008_clinton_vi rtually_tied_with_gop_frontrunners_giuli ani_thompson


Hillary/Obama08
by annefrank on Thu Aug 02, 2007 at 12:02:51 PM EST
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Re: Hillary and Obama: Unfavorables (none / 0)

And yet he is still beating Guiliani by 6 points...

Rasmussen Reports


by chicagogene on Thu Aug 02, 2007 at 09:55:22 AM EST

Re: Hillary and Obama: Unfavorables (3.00 / 1)

The head to head matchups have been in flux for some time now - a point up one day, then down the next.  This diary is a focus on overall favorables vs unfavorables, among Democrats and among all voters.  

It has long been the contention of certain Dems that Hillary cannot win the general due to her high unfavorables.  I wish to submit that this is simply not the case.  Or, if it is, that Obama is in almost the same position as Hillary.  


by samueldem on Thu Aug 02, 2007 at 09:56:42 AM EST

Edwards still leads in Repub matchups (none / 0)

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_c ontent/politics/favorables/election_2008 _democratic_candidates_running_in_2008_p residential_election


Hillary/Obama08
by annefrank on Thu Aug 02, 2007 at 12:05:14 PM EST
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Re: Hillary and Obama: Unfavorables (none / 0)

Fair enough...I hope she does well. I'm an Obama supporter but respect the Clintons a great deal...

Those who are concerned about her unfavorables have every right to be. How do you think she will respond to the barage of attacks reminding those of WJC's term in office? That does have to cause pause for concern, no?


by chicagogene on Thu Aug 02, 2007 at 09:59:46 AM EST

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How will Obama responds to attacks about Rezko and other attacks thrown at him . This is a campaign and there will be things thrown at people , i have full confidence in how Clinton will handle it and I am sure Obama will do well too.

Please can we just put a stop to all these polls for at least a month , it has been ridiculous . One poll shows Hillary up against Guiliani by 7 , Hillary is the best , the very next day another poll shows her down she is all of a sudden the worst.


Educated in a small town Taught to fear Jesus in a small town Used to daydream in that small town Another born romantic that's me.
by lori on Thu Aug 02, 2007 at 10:08:33 AM EST
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You really can't compare the Rezko thing to what the Clintons have coming down the pike...that is completely apples and oranges. That concerns me and it should concern HRC supporters. I know her staff and response team is top notch, but damn.

Agreed with your statement regarding polls. They are entirely useless except for fundraising and messaging.


by chicagogene on Thu Aug 02, 2007 at 10:11:35 AM EST
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Re: Hillary and Obama: Unfavorables (none / 0)

All I am saying is that they will always dig up stuff and throw it at a campaign that is what campaigns are all about and I don't think it will be any worse or better for any particular candidate . Frankly it is usually how a campaign reacts to this allegation that matters , and I have full confidence in Clinton and Obama to respond forcefully.

With regards to these polls , I find it hard to believ obama's favourables have tanked the way it has both in General and among dems . Why will that many dems not like him. Is Rasmussen a reputable polling outfit.


Educated in a small town Taught to fear Jesus in a small town Used to daydream in that small town Another born romantic that's me.
by lori on Thu Aug 02, 2007 at 10:15:49 AM EST
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Rezko is worse than anything HIllary has "Coming" down. The public doesn't know about Rezko by and large. They are sick to deaht of Whitewater etc. They all know about it. And OBama's cocaine use will be problematic too.


by Mayor McCheese on Thu Aug 02, 2007 at 12:01:18 PM EST
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Re: I'll sleep better come attacks & debates (none / 0)

I'm an Edwards supporter. ( Unless Wes Clark jumps in)

However, as a Democrat- I'll sleep much better at night come the 2008 general campaign with Hillary Clinton over Obama when fighting & debating against the nasty, vicious GOP attacks.

Hillary is No John Kerry. Whether you support her or not, one thing I will admit about her is she is as fierce, disciplined, experienced & intelligent as you will get.
( In fact, much more fierce & disciplined than even Bill Clinton)

As a Democrat, at least you know that she has seen, heard & being thru the kitchen sink being thrown at her for 8 years of Bill's tenure.

Obama has already had major missteps against  fellow Democrats in the primary.

If Hillary can't beat Thompson or Romney, I will bet you thousands of dollars that Obama will not beat Thompson or Romney either.

The guy can't even get Blacks solidly behind him against Hillary, & you expect him to cross race, religion & party lines to defeat a White Male Southerner like Thompson for President.

( And this is already with Hundreds of Millions of FREE, POSITIVE Publicity for the last 18 months that he received from the Mainstream media that created a RockStar)

In the movies, yes, in real life 2008- I don't think so.


by fightingLadyinblue on Thu Aug 02, 2007 at 12:05:56 PM EST
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Hillary's going to do just fine when she comes up against Rudy or Fred or Mitt, in the general.  She will be THE most prepared to take on any of them.  Those old Clinton faux-scandals have no traction anymore and the GOP has nothing new on Hillary.  

Over the past two months alone, three new Hillary bios have hit the stands -- all of them were written to hurt Hillary -- and they haven't hurt her in the least, despite all the media attention given to the most negative parts of those books.  

Hillary is far more immune to being smeared than both Obama and Edwards.  And she's a better fighter than either of them.


by samueldem on Thu Aug 02, 2007 at 10:21:15 AM EST

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I wouldn't be so quick to assume that the "old Clinton faux-scandals" don't have the traction. Its summer of 2007 and nobody is REALLY paying attention, however when they do...

There is a lot more to smear HRC with than either Obama or Edwards, due in part to having been around for so long.

None are immune, but to think that they are is oversimplying an argument.


by chicagogene on Thu Aug 02, 2007 at 10:26:32 AM EST
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I will make the argument that since opinions have been formed about Clinton it is less likely this new information will change opinions simply because they have heard these atacks before , but Obama is still having opinions formed about him and new negative information is more likely to destabilize his candidacy. It cuts both ways.


Educated in a small town Taught to fear Jesus in a small town Used to daydream in that small town Another born romantic that's me.
by lori on Thu Aug 02, 2007 at 10:29:42 AM EST
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Agreed, but I would like to be able to frame opinions rather than having them framed for me...
Obama has that opportunity, where that ship sailed for HRC long, long, long ago.
by chicagogene on Thu Aug 02, 2007 at 10:32:49 AM EST
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You know elections are about framing , he is going to be framed by opponents and himself and it is how he reacts to negative framing that matters . It all comes down to how effective your campaign is in responding and I am confident in clinton campaign


Educated in a small town Taught to fear Jesus in a small town Used to daydream in that small town Another born romantic that's me.
by lori on Thu Aug 02, 2007 at 10:42:02 AM EST
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See, with Hillary, you already know what you are getting.

With Obama, we will all be biting our nails.

Any Democrat, whether its Edwards, Richardon, Clinton or Obama will be viciously attacked in the general. That's already a given.

In fact, most people already have an opinion of Clinton.

I'd be much more confident having HRC responding to nasty attacks than Obama.

This is where ONLY "Experience" can really prepare you for something like this.


by fightingLadyinblue on Thu Aug 02, 2007 at 12:10:57 PM EST
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Thank you Sam for stating the obvious.


by bookgrl on Thu Aug 02, 2007 at 10:38:06 AM EST
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The question here is depth.

Obama may have had a rough couple of weeks, which in turn kicked his unfavorables up - but it is doubtful that opinion on him has frozen to the point where they cannot lower as easily as they have risen.

Clinton on the other hand has been around a while and much of the electorate is entrenched in their opinions of her.  Her numbers rise and fall largely on the basis of the fluctuations in opinion of a narrow segment of the population that is not absolutely committed to their opinion of her.

Because Clinton is extremely popular within the Democratic party, her chances of winning the nomination are obviously quite good.  The problem is she has very low support among the general electorate, with a huge bloc of voters not even open to voting for her.  She will have to run the table with idependents and other swing voters.  Obama's strength is with those voters - IF he can figure out a way to appeal to enough Democrats to wrest the nomination from Clinton.  


by AdamSmithsHand on Thu Aug 02, 2007 at 10:21:21 AM EST

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I have always had a problem with tieing

Unfavourables = I won't vote for the person .

It just seems out of whack to me . If I view someone unfavourably that does not mean I will automatically not vote for that person in a two man race , Does it ?

What happened to Bush in 04 , wasn't his unfavourables in the toilet and he still won.

While it might mean some might not vote for that person . I just don't think it is credible to think that everyone that views someone unfavourably will automatically not vote for that person


Educated in a small town Taught to fear Jesus in a small town Used to daydream in that small town Another born romantic that's me.
by lori on Thu Aug 02, 2007 at 10:26:36 AM EST
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Re: Hillary and Obama: Unfavorables (none / 0)

This is true.  Often people pick the lesser of evils.  Still in a nomination process it is self-defeating to ignore favorability and count on that dynamic - especially when most of the GOP candidates have relatively low unfavorables (no Rush Limbaugh to character assasinate them day in and day out).

More interesting are the "definitely for" and "definitely against" numbers that Rasmussen has been tracking to guage core support.  Unfortunately the last survey was done on July 18th and 19th - so there is no way to know if the rise we've seen in Obama's unfavorables will bear out in these numbers.

Here's where they stood two weeks ago:

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_c ontent/politics/obama_clinton_thompson_e njoy_top_levels_of_core_support


by AdamSmithsHand on Thu Aug 02, 2007 at 10:50:01 AM EST
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You know I think it was the Bush/Cheney lite thing that has him that high, so I don't think it is permanent for him. it is possible that it is the dem unfavourables that is driving the general election unfavourables.


Educated in a small town Taught to fear Jesus in a small town Used to daydream in that small town Another born romantic that's me.
by lori on Thu Aug 02, 2007 at 10:58:04 AM EST
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Re: Hillary and Obama: Unfavorables (none / 0)

I'd tend to agree.

Voters don't know him, so his favorability numbers are bound to be voliatile.  Every new bit of information can likely send them up or down quickly.

My only complain is hwo we on the left have treated him and the other democratic frontrunners.  We gain nothing by undermining any of these candidates.  I want Obama, Edwards and Clinton all to be as strong as possible - then let the voters decide.  

Our entire party is damaged when our best is damaged.  Reasonable scrutiny is fine, but twisting words and abandoning intellectual honesty in order to benefit a single candidate is foolish.

The fact that there are trolls in this diary who actually think rising unfavorables for ANY of these candidates are a good thing makes me sick.      


by AdamSmithsHand on Thu Aug 02, 2007 at 11:12:03 AM EST
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You know I agree I just don't see any reason why dems will dislike Obama all of a sudden , it must be just a minor reaction from last week .


Educated in a small town Taught to fear Jesus in a small town Used to daydream in that small town Another born romantic that's me.
by lori on Thu Aug 02, 2007 at 11:18:51 AM EST
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It is more than just last week.   Obama leaves many Democrats cold, this has been the case for quite some time.  Why?  When he talks to many issue voters (i.e. teachers, automobile union workers) he takes the centrist position on the issues they care about, thereby alienating them to an extent.  He also has made it a point to chide Democrats often for being "too partisan" or "not reasonable," etc.   Add it all up and you have a growing portion of the party that just does not like him all that much, that thinks he is not really into the Democratic "brand" and would not really fight FOR them, instead cater more to a general electorate of all stripes.    


by georgep on Thu Aug 02, 2007 at 12:07:13 PM EST
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Frankly, I don't think Obama has been vetted at all, in the blogs or in the media, so I don't really buy that.  I agree with you about Edwards, though.


by bookgrl on Thu Aug 02, 2007 at 11:26:24 AM EST
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Re: Hillary and Obama: Unfavorables (none / 0)

And I'd say the opposite.  It is a matter of perspective I suppose.  


by AdamSmithsHand on Thu Aug 02, 2007 at 11:46:54 AM EST
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Well, look, Obama has made a series of small flubs on the campaign trail that had Edwards made them, Edwards would have been filleted by the media.  I think he has recieved glowing media and blog coverage, but I guess that is a matter of perception.


by bookgrl on Thu Aug 02, 2007 at 11:58:15 AM EST
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This is another laughable example of Obama supporters grasping at straws. They keep on telling us 'to know him is to love him'. There has been no evidence whatsoever that the more people know Obama, the more they like him.

For an unknown neophyte, 'to know me is to dislike me' carries far more danger.

Look at Dukakis's number. His favorables were in the 60s before he got a chance to face Bush. What happened afterwards?

A minor spat caused such sharp deline in Obama's number, you have to wonder what will happen if he hits a major gaffee, or if his GOP opponent attacks him mercilessly.


Hillary: We will finally have a president who doesn't mind pulling over and asking for directions. Am I right, ladies?
by areyouready on Thu Aug 02, 2007 at 10:49:06 AM EST
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The issue is the public still doesn't know him.  Minor issues will have a big effect on his favorables for that exact reason - because the public has no resevior of love or hate to balance out their temporal reactions to him.

Spin away all you want.  Nobody takes you seriously anyhow.


by AdamSmithsHand on Thu Aug 02, 2007 at 10:53:00 AM EST
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30% of Democrats must be latent racists.


The sharpest criticism often goes hand in hand with the deepest idealism and love of country. ~RFK
by Vox Populi on Thu Aug 02, 2007 at 11:25:35 AM EST

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LOL.


Hillary: We will finally have a president who doesn't mind pulling over and asking for directions. Am I right, ladies?
by areyouready on Thu Aug 02, 2007 at 11:33:15 AM EST
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Obama is a product of his environment.  Democrats in Chicago are used to playing hardball in the primaries and coasting in the general election.  His lone statewide race turned out to be a cakewalk as the Republican nominee had to withdraw because of a nasty divorce/ sex scandal.  No general election will be a cakewalk.

Obama is throwing too many sharp elbows too early.Some of his employees and supporters have been worse. Democrats liked Bill Clinton. Obama would be better advised to try to separate Hillary's record from Bill's rather than blasting Bill and sucking up to people like Richard Lugar("Richard Nixon's favorite mayor").


by David Kowalski on Thu Aug 02, 2007 at 01:33:13 PM EST

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Clinton is the republican choice for who the Democratic nominee should be. Witness the huge amount of publicity give to the national polls which she leads. Also note the absence of attacks on her or her positions from any of the pundocracy, just admiration.

Whereas any time Obama opens his mouth he is lambasted to a fare thee well. For example, Obama's statement that he would speak with the "devils," those leaders of countries villified today without preconditions. Though the polls on that issue showed that most people supported that issue the talking heads (who are definitely not liberal) have been near unanimous in pronouncing that a terrible gaffe of the inexperienced Obama. However the present way of laying out preconditions or refusing to talk has not been doing too well for us!  Also his "lack of experience" is expounded upon. Not a word is said about the stunning amount of meaningful law he got passed in Springfield - at first in a Repub dominated legislature. Edwards is also vilified and demeaned constantly.  But not Hillary -- just admiration and many pronouncements on how sure her lead is and how it is certain she will be the nominee.

In 2004 the repug choice was anyonebutDean and it worked with too many democrats saying "but he's unelectable." I think he was the only one who would have won.

Let's not make the same mistake. Let's not let the Repug choice stand.

Among the personal attacks would be this killer:
Bush, Clinton, Bush, Clinton, why it's almost like having Royalty.


by sam dobermann on Sun Aug 05, 2007 at 04:09:40 AM EST


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